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I was interviewed on March 17th by Christina Nuckols of the
Virginian-Pilot.  She called to verify some of my comments in a recent
VA-ALERT about Virginia Beach Chief of Police, Jacocks.



She asked clarifying questions, I gave clarifying answers.  I'm not sure
why she bothered to call since she wasn't interested in my answers -
they didn't fit the story she wanted to write.



But, having been down this road before, I have a recording of that
interview and this will be a great chance for you to compare what I was
asked, what I answered, and what appeared in her opinion piece.



The key comes at about 5 minutes into the interview where she asks me,
"Do you think that getting into this kind of a confrontation with the
Police Chief is helpful for this bill?"



That's what this is really about - the paper's wish to find some way,
any way, to get the bill vetoed, even it if requires intentionally
twisting my words to do so.



In the article she writes, "The  issue:  He also insults Beach police
officers over the guns-in-bars- bill."  As you have read in the original
alert a few days ago and will hear in the recording, that is a lie.



Then she lets the cat out of the bag:  "Where we stand:  The bill is a
bad idea, will endanger law enforcement and should be vetoed by the
governor."



While I doubt any of you will be truly shocked at the extent that the
paper is willing to go to get their way, I suggest you listen to the
recording and read the article.



Recording of my interview by Christina Nuckols at 4:11 PM, March 17:



http://www.vcdl.org/audio/DWC0209.wav



The opinion piece:



http://hamptonroads.com/2010/03/gun-activist-hacks-chief-jacocks



Gun activist hacks at Chief Jacocks

Posted to: Editorials Opinion



THE ISSUE He also insults Beach police officers over the guns-in-bars
bill.



WHERE WE STAND The bill is a bad idea, will endanger law enforcement and
should be vetoed by the governor.



The Virginian-Pilot

© March 19, 2010

Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League,
thinks he should be allowed to keep his gun concealed when he goes into a
bar.



Virginia Beach Police Chief Jake Jacocks thinks that would be dangerous
because waiters won't know whether they're serving alcohol to an armed
customer.



Both men are entitled to their opinions. But Van Cleave is not entitled
to turn this policy disagreement into a personal attack against Jacocks
and the Beach's 800 police officers.  [PVC:  Notice that the Pilot is
allowed to intentionally twist my words and then attack me for things
that I didn't say and that kind of personal attack is OK.]



In an e-mail Wednesday to members of his organization and media outlets,
Van Cleave criticized Jacocks for asking Gov. Bob McDonnell to veto a
bill that would permit concealed weapons in restaurants and bars that
serve alcohol.



"[I]t sounds like Chief Jacocks is afraid of his own officers carrying
guns and being able to drink responsibly," Van Cleave wrote. "That's a
sad commentary on his department and the other departments that are
backing this position.... I've said it before and I'll say it again: a
whole lot of chiefs of police are nothing more than political hacks that
did not work their way up through the ranks..."



Van Cleave, meet Chief Jacocks. He began his career with the Beach
Police Department at age 19. He became a sworn officer in 1973 and
worked in all four city precincts as well as special operations and the
detective bureau. He celebrated his 10th year as chief on Monday. He and
the men and women who work for him have made Virginia Beach one of the
safest cities in the nation, according to the FBI.  [PVC:  I did not say
that you had to be a political hack to work against the Constitutional
rights of Virginians, but simply that many police chiefs unfortunately
fall into that category.]



Chief Jacocks, meet Phil Van Cleave. He writes computer software from
his home office in Chesterfield County, but his claim to fame is his
leadership post with a pro-gun group that claims 5,000 members. He says
he's never shot a gun outside a shooting range but carries one with him
at all times. He says he drew his gun "a few times" while volunteering
as a reserve deputy sheriff when he was younger.  [PVC:  My lifestyle
does miff Christina ]



Each winter, Van Cleave patrols the halls of the state Capitol in his
corduroy jacket and his gun, asking legislators to pass bills permitting
weapons in parks, shopping malls, libraries, churches and bars.
Meanwhile, Jacocks and his officers are patrolling the streets of
Virginia Beach protecting city residents from murderers, robbers and
rapists.  [PVC:  Christina simply can't fathom, or doesn't want to
fathom, is that what VCDL does at the General Assembly makes the streets
of Virginia Beach and everywhere else in Virginia safer, too.]



So which man is the hack?  [PVC:  Actually - I think the hack in this
opinion piece is a woman ]

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1.  Howie Lind to speak at VCDL meeting tonight

2.  Senator Vogel tries to attach Ware's HB79 to HB1092; fails

3.  Taking aim at gun rights

4.  RTD: Senate approves controversial gun bills

5.  Effort to revive Va. gun bills fails

6.  Marsh stood in way of pro-gun legislation

7.  A few members of a "kill bill" subcommittee shouldn't have the power
 to decide state law

8.  LTE: Higher standard

9.  LTE: Gun column lacks supporting facts

10. VA.'s bad gun laws - A cheap shot from New York

11. Tamara Dietrich: Is Virginia gun law idiosyncrasy or idiocy?

12. Who needs a gun on a military base?

13. NYT: Pentagon shooting; uses the crime to attack Virginia

14. The Second Amendment: A guard for our future security

15. Prince William County police get it right (OC)

16. Guns for dummies

17. Examiner: Why do ATF employees question fitness of agent in 'toy
gun' seizure?

18. Video on VT

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19. Cops don't punish criminals

20. Second Amendment project

21. NRA convention - I'm staying home

22. Gun-free college shooting

23. Police act swiftly following gun purchases

24. US Dept of Education buys Remington 870's

25. Gun auction nets $15,000 toward new bulletproof vests

26. Massachusetts court upholds state gun-lock requirement

27. Gun control After McDonald

28. Locked, loaded, and ready to caffeinate

29. Some gun powder with that Espresso? Where Starbucks and guns collide

30. EDITORIAL: Packing a gun in Starbucks

31. Beware, Yogi: Gun rules in parks, elsewhere falling

32. LTE: Guns in national parks

33. Ammoland.com

34. Thousands of gun owners hit state capital streets

35. Stonewall Rifle and Pistol 2010 shooting season is nearly upon us!

36. Correction to VCDL Update 3/10/10

37. Correction to VCDL alert about restaurant ban repeal

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Last alert for tonight - sorry for the volume, but things are breaking
in all directions!

In this WVEC (Hampton Roads area) story is the actual letter from
Virginia Beach Chief of Police, Jake Jacocks, Jr., to Governor
McDonnell, asking the Governor to veto SB 334.  In the article
Portsmouth Police Chief, Ed Hargis also kicks in with some more Chief of
Police "wisdom."

Oh, did I mention that THREE Virginia Beach police officers under Chief
Jacocks' command were arrested for driving while intoxicated last year -
INCLUDING the head of the Virginia Beach DUI task force?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/12/va-beach-officer-charged-dui-chesapeake

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/mobile/Local_Virginia_BeachPolice_Officer_DUI_Womble_20090620

Let me be clear, as I have stated many times before:  VCDL has no
problem with police officers, Commonwealth Attorneys, or CHP holders
being able to drink responsibly while carrying.  We trust all of them to
be responsible.  If some teeny-tiny minority of them isn't responsible,
then THEY should pay the price by being arrested and charged.  The
actions of those who misbehave should not be used as an excuse to limit
everyone else's freedom.  That is how laws are SUPPOSED to work.

Anyway, here comes the gasoline being poured on a fire as Chief Jacocks
patronizingly looks down his nose at the citizens of the Commonwealth.  
What a hypocrite:

http://tinyurl.com/ykdlhy2

...LETTER FROM CHIEF JACOCKS:

Dear Governor McDonnell:

I am writing to you in my capacity as co-chairman of the Legislative
Committee of the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police, as a Chief of
Police. The "guns in bars" bills have passed both Chambers of the
General Assembly and await your decision to sign or veto.  I know you to
be a supporter of the Constitutional right to bear arms, as am I. I
also know that as a prosecutor you witnessed - albeit well after the
fact - lives forever changed because of poor decisions/choices made when
alcohol, firearms, or both were in the mix, just as when alcohol, motor
vehicles or both were in the mix.  My police officers, like first
responders across this great Commonwealth have occasion to witness such
tragedies first hand, while blood and tears are still flowing, all too
often.

Just as drinking and driving do not mix, the possessing and/or handling
of firearms and alcohol do not mix.  The notion that carry concealed
weapon (CCW) permit holders who carry in a licensed ABC establishment
are prohibited from consuming alcohol by these bills borders on the
absurd.  There is no practical way to police this provision, as no law
enforcement agency will have officers asking alcohol consumers in an
establishment if they are carrying.  You are well aware that alcohol
consumption lowers inhibitions in most people.  Often referred to as
"liquid courage," alcohol consumption also fuels aggression in many.

Allowing guns in bars is a recipe for disaster. We can fully expect that
at some point in the future a disagreement that today would likely end
up in a verbal confrontation, or a bar fight, will inevitably end with
gunfire if you sign this legislation into law.  Whether it is the armed
citizen who drinks in a bar and gets into such a confrontation, or the
armed citizen doesn't drink and is pulled into a confrontation by
someone who has been drinking - the potential for display and/or
discharge of the firearm is unquestionably high.? Serious injuries
resulting from patrons fleeing in panic once someone yells "He's got a
gun!" or a death resulting from either discharge of the weapon or the
reaction to the weapon by the establishment’s security personnel will be
the rule, rather the exception.

The average CCW permit holder is a well intended and law-abiding
citizen.  Yet the majority of them have had no training in conflict
resolution, conflict management, verbal judo, de-escalation of
emotionally charged situations.  The mere possession of the weapon
likely makes some less apt to just walk away.  Worse yet, most have
nothing more than rudimentary firearms safety and qualification
training, and no firearms retention skills. The vast majority have no
preparation for, and likely have given no thought to, how to handle a
disorderly drunk who tries to start an argument with them or who insults
their female companion. Their focus as a CCW permit holder is
appropriately the defense of themselves and their family if confronted
with a threat of deadly force or with someone who is breaking into their
occupied home.  Absent the appropriate training and preparation, anyone
possessing a weapon, whether or not they are a CCW permit holder
(whether they having been drinking or not) has a high degree of
probability or over-reacting in the types of situations they are most
likely to encounter in a licensed ABC establishment, and someone is
going to die as a result.  Law enforcement officers have all of this
training, and extensive use of force and deadly force legal training,
and we each have to qualify at least annually even after we retire if we
want to maintain our national CCW permit.  No other CCW permit hold has
to adhere to even this simple requirement.

Senator Hanger was recently quoted by WTOP as saying "Most people will
have the obligation not to consume alcohol (while carrying concealed),
and they will take that seriously and that will be honored." He is later
quoted as saying "There is a substantial penalty, because they can lose
the right to carry - most people jealously guard that right that
they've acquired."

Is the Senator not aware that thousands of people are arrested in VA
each year for driving under the influence even though ALL people who are
licensed drivers have an obligation not to consume alcohol (if they are
then going to drive), and that while most people take that seriously,
we have hundreds of people killed or injured on the highways of the
Commonwealth because others chose to ignore that obligation?  Has the
Senator considered the fact that there is a very substantial penalty
(far greater than the proposed Class 2 misdemeanor penalty for drinking
in a bar while carrying concealed) for driving under the influence -
people can lose the their operator's license and their insurance and
their job -all things most people jealously guard - and yet thousands of
people get behind the wheel of a vehicle while under the influence of
alcohol or drugs every year in the Commonwealth.

As the Senator's assertions about people honoring their obligations is
clearly not true for all licensed drivers, how can we possibly believe
that those same assertions will be true of all CCW permit holders?

There are a wide range of interpretations on what The Founders meant as
they wrote the Second Amendment.  I'm not so presumptuous as to suggest I
know just what they meant. However, I firmly believe that they never
intended for any governing body to knowingly enable human beings - most
of whom are all too prone to making bad decisions when tempers flare,
even more so when their judgment is clouded by the consumption of
alcohol - to better position themselves to wrongly take another's life
when for the government to do otherwise would result only in a minor
inconvenience. With our rights comes responsibility. It is irresponsible
for anyone other than a law enforcement officer to carry a firearm into
a bar.

In keeping with your long standing advocacy of public safety, please
veto "guns in bars" legislation.

Respectfully,

Jake

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Here is a video my debate with restaurant owner Chuck Troutman of Dukerz
Grill in Harrisonburg, on Channel 3 today.  He said he isn't anti-gun.
 I'll let you decide for yourself.

Oh, and Chuck admits that he doesn't trust HIS OWN CUSTOMERS or anyone
else!

Smooth move, Chuck.  BTW, do you sell alcohol to people with car keys?

Click here:

http://www.whsv.com/

On the right side there is an area called "Home" with 4 TV images.
 Click on the one called "One on One."

--

Here is another poll.  This one is asking if the Loudoun Board of
Supervisors were up for an election today, who would you want to vote
OUT.

Strong gun-rights supporter Eugene Delgaudio is on the list, as is
anti-gun Stevens Miller.



Go get 'em!

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If you haven't already done so, vote in this pole - Virginian-Pilot
asking if the Governor should veto or approve the restaurant ban repeal.
 Poll is on left a little ways down.  Time to vote!:



http://hamptonroads.com/2010/03/states-police-chiefs-seek-veto-gunsinbars-bill

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Unbelievably, Virginia Beach Police Chief Jake Jacocks, Jr., speaking for the
state association of the chiefs of police, has asked Governor McDonnell to veto
SB 334, the restaurant ban repeal, because guns in bars would be a "recipe
for disaster."



Hmmm.  The only people that the bill allows to mix guns and alcohol are
police officers (on duty, off duty, and retired) and Commonwealth Attorneys and
their deputies.  So it sounds like Chief Jacocks is afraid of his own
officers carrying guns and being able to drink responsibly.  That's a sad
commentary on his department and the other departments that are backing this
position.  I wonder if these chiefs prohibit their officers from driving
cars to restaurants, too?



I've said it before and I'll say it again:  a whole lot of chiefs of
police are nothing more than political hacks that did not work their way up
through the ranks and don't share the beliefs of their rank and file officers
on such matters.



Also, the Sheriff's Association did NOT share the bogus concerns of the Chiefs.



I personally don't donate to the Fraternal Order of Police for their past and
current interference with our gun rights and I also have no intention of
contributing to anything from the Association of Chiefs of Police, either, for
the same reason.   The Sheriffs Association doesn't pull this kind of
baloney.



The good news is that according to the article, the Governor is going to stand
strong and sign the bill:



"McDonnell will sign the bill, said Taylor Thornley, the governor's
spokeswoman. While McDonnell appreciates the work and comments of the police
chiefs, he will 'continue to protect and uphold the Second Amendment rights of
law-abiding citizens,' Thornley said."



Here is the story:



http://hamptonroads.com/node/546409



State's police chiefs seek veto of guns-in-bars bill



By Deirdre Fernandes

The Virginian-Pilot

© March 17, 2010

VIRGINIA BEACH



Calling guns in bars a "recipe for disaster," the state's police
chiefs have

pleaded with Gov. Bob McDonnell to veto legislation that would ease Virginia's

concealed weapon laws.



Virginia Beach
police Chief Jake Jacocks Jr. sent a letter to McDonnell last

week on behalf of the state association of chiefs comparing the combination of

firearms and alcohol with drinking and driving.



"We can fully expect that at some point in the future a disagreement that

today would likely end up in a verbal confrontation, or a bar fight, will

inevitably end with gunfire if you sign this legislation into law,"
Jacocks

wrote.



SB334's requirement that anybody with a gun is prohibited from drinking and

could be charged with a misdemeanor is "absurd," Jacocks said, and
can't be

enforced.  [PVC:  In that case, perhaps we need to just get rid of
the penalty altogether or make it a civil fine.]



On Tuesday, Jacocks got support from Virginia Beach Mayor Will Sessoms, a

McDonnell supporter and gun owner.



"Not only is it stupid," Sessoms said, "I think it could be a
fatal mistake."



But their efforts seem unlikely to sway McDonnell.



McDonnell will sign the bill, said Taylor Thornley, the governor's

spokeswoman. While McDonnell appreciates the work and comments of the police

chiefs, he will "continue to protect and uphold the Second Amendment
rights of

law-abiding citizens," Thornley said.



The bill deals only with concealed weapons; in Virginia it's legal to carry a

gun openly without a permit.



SB334 and its House counterpart, along with legislation that allows gun owners

without concealed-carry permits to store firearms in locked vehicle

compartments, were among the gun-friendly bills approved by the General

Assembly this year. The Democratic-controlled Senate formed a special

subcommittee late in the session to kill several gun-rights bills, including a

repeal of the state's one-handgun-purchase-a-month limit.



The police chiefs association has opposed the guns in bars bill in the past,

but it also had a more sympathetic ear. Former Democratic Gov. Timothy M.

Kaine twice vetoed such bills.



The Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police didn't come out strongly against

the bills during the session because it was spread too thin trying to preserve

state funding for police departments, said Dana Schrad, the organization's

executive director.  [PVC:  Life does have its priorities ]



"We didn't duck and cover on this one," Schrad said. "We had to
prioritize on

budget issues."



The Virginia Sheriffs' Association, the other large law-enforcement lobby in

the General Assembly, did not take a stand on the legislation, said John

Jones, the organization's executive director.



"No, we're not going down that road," Jones said.



But association members recently did vote on a resolution supporting Second

Amendment rights, Jones said.



Jacocks and Schrad did acknowledge that the letter was a last-ditch effort.



"It was important to let him know directly how we felt about this
issue,"

Jacocks said.



If police across Virginia
see an increase in gun violence at bars, the

association will come back and ask the General Assembly to reconsider its

decision, Schrad said.  [PVC:  Or course any such violence would have
to be unjustified and perpetrated by CHP holders, police, or Commonwealth
Attorneys.  Even then, that is why we have laws - to punish bad people,
not to punish the good ones.]



Statistics on gun-related incidents at establishments with liquor licenses

were not available Tuesday.  [PVC:  Again, unless they deal with CHP
holders acting unlawfully, such statistics are irrelevant.]

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1.  VCDL meeting in Annandale (NoVA) on March 18th - more info

2.  VCDL meeting in Glen Allen on March 24th

3.  VCDL meeting in Midlothian on April 1

4.  Virginia Tech Board of Visitors looking to ban ammunition storage in
dorms on March 22nd

5.  Gun shows and events!

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1.  VCDL VP speaking on Monday!

2.  VCDL membership meeting this Thursday

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1.  Better contact information for Comcast CEO
2.  Too late - Bill Mims has been appointed to the Virginia Supreme Court

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1.  More bills headed to Governor's desk
2.  Let's tell Comcast not to oppose our right to self-defense
3.  Bill Mims being considered for the Virginia Supreme Court - not a good idea?

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VCDL Update 3/10/10 (A huge update - talk on guns continues to rage in the press and that's good for our cause!)

1. Lynchburg VCDL meeting -- Post-meeting supper location
2. Old Va: Guns in State Forests V, The Public Hearing
3. Second Amendment March -- special sale and petitions
4. VCDL EM's three second cameo in CBS video
5. VERY GOOD Op Ed -- Richmond Times
6. One gun a month dueling opeds
7. Women and guns in Va. [Videos]
8. LTE by Anti: Gun laws will dictate where I spend money
9. Upcoming Christian Security Network workshops
10. Bill would allow concealed guns in restaurants
11. Columnist: Guns and booze bad mix
12. EDITORIAL: Guns in the saloon
13. Restaurant ban repeal story
14. Concealed Carrying and Drinking- Who Will Enforce New Law?

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15. WSJ New Poll - What should retailers in open-carry states do about  customers who display guns?
16. Restaurant ban repeal story on Winchester TV
17. Reader response: Senate restaurant ban repeal passes House!
18. TV coverage in Richmond of the Senate's NEW death star subcommittee
19. Only two Senators listening to bills toward end of Senate's new death star subcommittee
20. Bill to repeal 1-gun-a-month rule fails to advance
21. RTD anti-gun LTEs
22. New tool for finding ammo
23. What NOT to do when a business asks you to leave
24. Sentara Hospitals
25. Newspapers are split on McDonald v Chicago; Rasmussen says majority supports gun rights
26. The unlikely liberal case for gun rights
27. Correction
28. Gun rights and SCOTUS: Chicago will lose and the nation will win

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